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gonna be reading thou the thread. I just got back from my B day and Im a little drunk 0_0 so forgive me if I dont have anything to say till day 2, as I might not be awake yet | ||
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Today's lynch will be scumdroba analysis coming shortly | ||
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On January 13 2012 17:11 sandroba wrote: Hi everybody, I'll be running for mayor and I need your support. The whole basis of my campaign is being town and pretty decent at figuring out scum. Myself holding day1 lynch and 3 votes everyday is a pretty good deal on average I'd say so. Also it's ridiculously easy to figure out my alignment not only because I suck as scum, but also because I hate it and usually can't keep up with the thread after a few days. So yeah, you don't have to worry about that because I'm thankfully town this game. Another benefit to electing me is that I usually get shot pretty early on (normally day2 the latest), and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot. Let me say that there is no fucking reason to not elect a trustworthy established sumhunter in favor of electing a new player whose millage may vary. The main goal of the mayor role is to get someone who can reliably get scum lynched and be a threat to mafia. Putting in a random dude has no benefit to town and can even be detrimental if the dude has his head stuck up his ass. So town gather up and give me your support, because mafia isn't going to let me get this position easily. It makes them feel unsafe and fearful. They are right. I'm coming for them. This post stuck out at me. The bolded part is what really stands out in this post. Its true. In the games I have played with sand as scum (PTP:I) after day 2, he just gave up for the most part. however, that he says that his scum play is bad is not the case at all. I think sandroba is one of the best day 1 scum players here. He will often go out of his way to do things that scum would never do on day 1, making pining him down as scum later in the game as hard to do. He makes a strong day 1 showing his game plan so he can ride on it for a few cycles as he gets more lazy, to use his own words. So what happened In PYP:I day 1? *He devises a plan for how town should pick there roles, argues against people trying to put up other plans, and re-works the plan with the obviously townie and eventually Mayor Radfield. This plan adopted for the most part by a lot of townies results in a very strong set of roles for town. *He get very active in PM land with a group of players that come to control the rest of the game. later on, WBG starts to really tunnel sandroba for being scum, but he can not convenience anyone else that sand is scum a la "look how pro town he is", this despite the fact that for the whole game he did NO SCUM HUNTING. he lives till the end of the game despite mostly giving up after day 2 because of his infiltration of the town circle and there read on him as town. So far We have many Day 1 similarity's: On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote: Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread: 1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected. 2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg. 3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by. On January 14 2012 05:34 sandroba wrote: Alright peeps here are the advantages of mass claim masons: 1) It forces mafia to come under a lot of scrutiny if they want to use the mason power. The plan is to watch these people closely and get a lot of the info out in the open, instead of allowing masons to operate in the shadows. 2) If mafia doesn't want the spot light they will probably not claim nor use their mason powers, which is very good for town. For this same reason we must not go on a witch hunt on the claimed masons, because they can be of any alignment and may be all town as well. We shall lynch people because of suspicious behavior, not because of trying to find mafia withing the masons. 3) There is not much of a downside to it. If mafia wants to waste their roleblock/kill on mason by all means be my guest. It further protects our really important blue roles which is great. If they choose to ignore them we are back in the same place we we're before with extra info as town that mafia opted not to use. Which is great. Here we have Sand making plans again. as well as budding up to players like protract and BC. Mass claiming Masons in this set up can be argued both ways as to whom it favors. In reality, it depends on how we go about it. These things are not scummy per say, but its how he is going about it that is. His motivations are for insuring his own safety, rather than scum hunting. which brings me to point 2. Mayoral campaign and lynch Sandroba wants to be mayor, and sandroba wants to lynch Cyriandor. This is what he says, but his actions say otherwise. Does anyone think sand was trying hard to get elected? Not from where I sit. His "campaign" is full of "Hey guys im good, elect me lawl im drunk!" He was running for mayor but had know intentions of getting elected. This allows him to push his "lynch", which Wont happen because he does not want to get elected. He does a great job of convincing us that Cyriandor is scum with powerful logic: "hes ugly and he smells bad". For added effect, he says it twice. Does anyone think that Sandroba is trying to convince town on his position? Because I can tell you he is not. His Modivation for these post is not one of getting scum lynch, but as a set up should Cyriandor flip later (whitch he knows is scum) to put him in a strong position. If he was town, He would have both tried harder to get elected and pushed Cyriandor harder. Later in day 1 he sets up alternate lynches as well: On January 14 2012 16:34 sandroba wrote: I think I talked about this already. He's ugly and smells bad. Also protact's case was the best thing to land on this thread so far. Also I might lynch a bg instead. Who knows. Giving himself an out. not the town Sandroba I know. *Sandroba's play is consistent with his day 1 scum play from previous games. He has proven he is willing to go out of his way to act very protown, both by pushing plans that can be in towns interest, as well as lightly busing his own teammates. *Sandroba's Motivations are not to find scum, rather his over all behavior shows self preservation as his primary motivating factor in his posting. This is in direct opposition to what town Sandroba does. Town Sandroba does not have to worry about looking town because he finds scum. Scum Sandroba does, at it reflects in his behavior this game. *Sandroba is Mafia ##Vote: Sandroba | ||
hiro protagonist
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lets double up! | ||
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@Protrac: Did you not read my case on sand? i made it very clear why He would do the things he did. You say Mafia would be "slaking off" but I gave very good reason as to why sandroba would not be one of them. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:04 Protactinium wrote: Read my posts to see who I want to lynch. I don't have to repeat myself. As a general announcement, if you want to talk to me or ask me questions, please read my posts first so you don't ask me to waste time repeating myself. Whoops, I missed your vote on Macpo. my bad. However reading though your filter, I dont see a response to my question, which is what do you think of my analysis I posted on sandroba? | ||
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Im am not So convinced that using or doable lynch is the best bet right now. like, We only have 2 of them. Are we sure that today is the best day to use it? My Dream lynch for today would be double of Sandroba and one of Macpo/zeks. Other than Macpo, there are not many votes on anyone else at the moment. seems to easy for mafia to get a mislynch in with the primary lynch. Im still musing on this. personaly, I would narrow the lynch list down to: Macpo- plenty of analysis on this guy, and he has just vanished for the most part. Scum Sandroba- Scum L- has not done anything of substance this game, dont see that changing Zeks- His tone of "nothing to see here" permeates in his posts. If by morning there are more than 3 people splitting votes, I will not be voting for a double lynch. and with that, goodnight ^__^ | ||
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what do you think of sandro? | ||
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On January 18 2012 07:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: You care what I say, but don't say if you agree with it or not? I feel like I'm just questioning sheth about why he voted for protag again. Another four posts just to get a response on what I've said. Half the people in this thread can't seem to get Sandro's story straight, or are confused he claimed mason. I've facepalmed repeatedly about this, but maybe it's because I've actually read BC's posts. So I haven't given him much thought. Care to give me some time to look at him so I can give a better opinion? So far all my notes say are that he shouldn't post while drunk. And this one interesting note when I was reading him and BC's chatlogs, he was actually pressing Ciryandor. So I'm going with he's more likely town than protactinum. Cool, your views on Sandro seems reasonable. Let me go though Protac's filter and give my opinion on him, as of right now, I feel he is a null. I do remember not being satisfied with his defense of Sandroba (and while were at it, I too have read BC's filter and felt his opinion on Sandro justified, and much more sincere than protacs), but let me give him the run though. | ||
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##Vote: Double Lynch | ||
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On January 18 2012 08:00 L wrote: Hiro, in case you didn't know, the more town controlled kills we get earlier in the game, the higher percentage change we have to knock down mafia KP early and reduce their influence in discussion and voting. Not only that, but additional flips give us additional information, which sets us up more quickly for our second DL. DLs almost always should be used sooner rather than later because of the above snowballing effect granted by early kills. So once again, go vote for it. Yeah yeah, Im all for it now, I misread the OP and I thought that the double lynch would go into effect for today's lynch. | ||
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Also, does anyone remember my case on Sandroba? Here Ill spoiler it for your convenience: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 07:21 hiro protagonist wrote: This post stuck out at me. The bolded part is what really stands out in this post. Its true. In the games I have played with sand as scum (PTP:I) after day 2, he just gave up for the most part. however, that he says that his scum play is bad is not the case at all. I think sandroba is one of the best day 1 scum players here. He will often go out of his way to do things that scum would never do on day 1, making pining him down as scum later in the game as hard to do. He makes a strong day 1 showing his game plan so he can ride on it for a few cycles as he gets more lazy, to use his own words. So what happened In PYP:I day 1? *He devises a plan for how town should pick there roles, argues against people trying to put up other plans, and re-works the plan with the obviously townie and eventually Mayor Radfield. This plan adopted for the most part by a lot of townies results in a very strong set of roles for town. *He get very active in PM land with a group of players that come to control the rest of the game. later on, WBG starts to really tunnel sandroba for being scum, but he can not convenience anyone else that sand is scum a la "look how pro town he is", this despite the fact that for the whole game he did NO SCUM HUNTING. he lives till the end of the game despite mostly giving up after day 2 because of his infiltration of the town circle and there read on him as town. So far We have many Day 1 similarity's: Here we have Sand making plans again. as well as budding up to players like protract and BC. Mass claiming Masons in this set up can be argued both ways as to whom it favors. In reality, it depends on how we go about it. These things are not scummy per say, but its how he is going about it that is. His motivations are for insuring his own safety, rather than scum hunting. which brings me to point 2. Mayoral campaign and lynch Sandroba wants to be mayor, and sandroba wants to lynch Cyriandor. This is what he says, but his actions say otherwise. Does anyone think sand was trying hard to get elected? Not from where I sit. His "campaign" is full of "Hey guys im good, elect me lawl im drunk!" He was running for mayor but had know intentions of getting elected. This allows him to push his "lynch", which Wont happen because he does not want to get elected. He does a great job of convincing us that Cyriandor is scum with powerful logic: "hes ugly and he smells bad". For added effect, he says it twice. Does anyone think that Sandroba is trying to convince town on his position? Because I can tell you he is not. His Modivation for these post is not one of getting scum lynch, but as a set up should Cyriandor flip later (whitch he knows is scum) to put him in a strong position. If he was town, He would have both tried harder to get elected and pushed Cyriandor harder. Later in day 1 he sets up alternate lynches as well: Giving himself an out. not the town Sandroba I know. *Sandroba's play is consistent with his day 1 scum play from previous games. He has proven he is willing to go out of his way to act very protown, both by pushing plans that can be in towns interest, as well as lightly busing his own teammates. *Sandroba's Motivations are not to find scum, rather his over all behavior shows self preservation as his primary motivating factor in his posting. This is in direct opposition to what town Sandroba does. Town Sandroba does not have to worry about looking town because he finds scum. Scum Sandroba does, at it reflects in his behavior this game. *Sandroba is Mafia ##Vote: Sandroba In it I asserted that Sandroba's Mafia meta is to act really pro-town on day one, and then coast on that good will for days all the while doing nothing? Well, you'll never guess what Sandroba's been doing sense day 2! oh, that's right, NOTHING. I would like Foolishness, Protac, BC, and anyone else to give there thoughts on Sandroba. I will be pushing for his lynch. As for a secondary lynch, Im not sure yet. | ||
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##Vote: sandroba | ||
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I could not get any traction for my case without you guys, and now BC paraphrases my exact points in regard to sandroba, and protac comes in like it was his idea. just... you know ... Its just a bit ironic. | ||
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